L.A. Lakers or Detorid Pistons???

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Originally posted by Seijuro Hiko

You said KB has shaq and that affects his numbers and I understand that but since MJ had nobody he accomplished the 6 championships by himself, and what I'm saying is that KB has Shaq so is easier for him to win champ because after all the MVP was Shaq. And MJ did it again alone with the wizards. We (at least me) are not comparing by numbers, but heres an example, in terms of comparing, if Kobe was trade for tmac, the lakers will have the same numbers and orlando too, they both great players but they cant carry a team by them self and that has been proven with orlando being last and the lakers losing without Shaq. But Shaq can be compare with MJ because chicago lost when MJ retired and the lakers lost when shaq was out.

I already explained why you have to compare age and not years in the league, so I'm not gonna repeat myself if you're too stubborn to comprehend why.

You want to talk about MJ with the Wizards and the facts? I live in DC. I read the papers everyday. The players did not like playing with him and did not feel comfortable with him on the court. They were happy to see him retire. Those are the facts.

And I hate it when people say MJ did it alone. He did not do it alone!!!! Let's see if we could rebuild the Chicago Bulls with players from today. For Jordan, we obviously substitute in Kobe.

Rodman was the leading rebounder virtually every season, played hard defense, and never really wanted the bll on offense. Best person to compare him to nowadays would be Ben Wallace. Wallace D is better, but he doesn't get the same number of rebounds Rodman did. So I say it's an even trade off.

Pippen, IMO is the hardest person to find a substitute for. He was an all star virtually every season, and was on he dream team as well. I think it is safe to say that he was one of the top 5 players in the league for a good 5 year stretch in there. He could handle the ball, create his own shot, did not mind being the 2nd option, and could defend any position on the court. There is noone in the league like him. Most equal person to fill in for him would be TMac I'd say. He has better offense than Pippen, but his defense is nowhere near as good.

BJ Armstrong wasn't a star, but played hard every game. I'd say Fisher is an equal substitution for him.

For their centers, you could stick in virtually anybody. Mehmet Okur, Jason Collins, Lorenzen Wright, Elden Cambell . . . it doesn't really matter.

The bench is also very hard to find someone of equal value for nowadays. He had 3 point specialist like Hodges, Paxson, and Kerr that could spread the floor and make teams pay for doubling on MJ. There is noone I can think of offhand that is as good at making 3's as those guys in the league at this moment.

So you have a lineup of Fisher, Kobe, TMac, Ben Wallace, and Jason Collins. You think they win a championship??? So don't ever tell me that Jordan did it by himself and had noone. He had a damn good team, and those are the facts.