03-14-2006, 05:25 PM
*SIGH*
Without trying to make this a topic worth of the "other" forum I'll discuss this.
1. Judging anime on how you would judge a live action film is your first mistake. Firstly, the majority of anime are series or OVAs. Meaning that the length and structure is totally different to that of a film. If you are talking about anime movies then that is a different story altogether, but still a fundamentally flawed argument.
If you are going to judge it by live action standards, then at least judge TV series by TV series for a better comparison. But even then comparing live action to animation in the first place is totally flawed as they are really different. Something can seem perfectly fine in animation form but in live action form can seem cheesy, corny, out of place or breaking the illusion of TV.
2. Your problem seems to be specifically with Shonen style anime. If you have such a dislike for the sub genre then why do you watch it, or even care if other people like it?. Sure shonen anime are somewhat formulaic, they are predictable and they gross high amounts of money and fandom, but big deal, that doesn't make them necessarily bad. You can still do a great and entertaining show within those confines.
From my observation your problem seems to be that you are an elitist who only likes one style of anime that tries to stay roughly close to the rules of reality and are done in a relatively "realistic" or "mature" manner. I could be totally wrong but that's the impression you give off. You seem more concerned with the perception of it and the people who watch it rather than the shows themselves.
Now I understand how someone can easily get bored with copycat shonen titles or any other genre that is constantly pumped out, but that is why it's good to have some balance to your anime viewing. That way you can enjoy many different titles and genres without being oversaturated with any particular one.
3. People have opinions, sometimes they agree with yours, other times they don't, get over it. It's all down to opinion and personal preferences, the fact that you would come into a forum like this and try to declare your opinion on titles as fact is very arrogant and it will annoy alot of people.
Personally I can understand where you are comming from and why you think what you do, but that doesn't mean I agree with you, and I certainly wouldn't try to force my opinion on anime onto other people. The thing you have to understand is that anime is just like any other entertainment form, I mean you don't watch and like every TV show just because you are a fan of TV shows, same with films etc... everything is made for different audiences and different people will like them for different reasons.
Balance is the key to not getting jaded with any one style/genre. For example I like stuff like Kenshin, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya etc... but at the same time I also like stuff like Argento Soma, Evangelion, Berserk, Ninja Scroll, Fist of the North Star, Devilman etc... and I also like some old school giant robot stuff like Getta Robo etc... it's all about balance.
Oh and about complaining about voice acting.....again down to opinion, but don't hold the voice acting against an anime, especially when there is a Japanese option there too for people who may dislike the english option. Honestly you don't have a leg to stand on in that regard.
My main advice to you is not to be so hung up on what is popular and what other people like and just enjoy what you like and stick to that stuff. But at least have the decency to respect that other people may not like what you like and may like something else better.
Without trying to make this a topic worth of the "other" forum I'll discuss this.
1. Judging anime on how you would judge a live action film is your first mistake. Firstly, the majority of anime are series or OVAs. Meaning that the length and structure is totally different to that of a film. If you are talking about anime movies then that is a different story altogether, but still a fundamentally flawed argument.
If you are going to judge it by live action standards, then at least judge TV series by TV series for a better comparison. But even then comparing live action to animation in the first place is totally flawed as they are really different. Something can seem perfectly fine in animation form but in live action form can seem cheesy, corny, out of place or breaking the illusion of TV.
2. Your problem seems to be specifically with Shonen style anime. If you have such a dislike for the sub genre then why do you watch it, or even care if other people like it?. Sure shonen anime are somewhat formulaic, they are predictable and they gross high amounts of money and fandom, but big deal, that doesn't make them necessarily bad. You can still do a great and entertaining show within those confines.
From my observation your problem seems to be that you are an elitist who only likes one style of anime that tries to stay roughly close to the rules of reality and are done in a relatively "realistic" or "mature" manner. I could be totally wrong but that's the impression you give off. You seem more concerned with the perception of it and the people who watch it rather than the shows themselves.
Now I understand how someone can easily get bored with copycat shonen titles or any other genre that is constantly pumped out, but that is why it's good to have some balance to your anime viewing. That way you can enjoy many different titles and genres without being oversaturated with any particular one.
3. People have opinions, sometimes they agree with yours, other times they don't, get over it. It's all down to opinion and personal preferences, the fact that you would come into a forum like this and try to declare your opinion on titles as fact is very arrogant and it will annoy alot of people.
Personally I can understand where you are comming from and why you think what you do, but that doesn't mean I agree with you, and I certainly wouldn't try to force my opinion on anime onto other people. The thing you have to understand is that anime is just like any other entertainment form, I mean you don't watch and like every TV show just because you are a fan of TV shows, same with films etc... everything is made for different audiences and different people will like them for different reasons.
Balance is the key to not getting jaded with any one style/genre. For example I like stuff like Kenshin, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Saint Seiya etc... but at the same time I also like stuff like Argento Soma, Evangelion, Berserk, Ninja Scroll, Fist of the North Star, Devilman etc... and I also like some old school giant robot stuff like Getta Robo etc... it's all about balance.
Oh and about complaining about voice acting.....again down to opinion, but don't hold the voice acting against an anime, especially when there is a Japanese option there too for people who may dislike the english option. Honestly you don't have a leg to stand on in that regard.
My main advice to you is not to be so hung up on what is popular and what other people like and just enjoy what you like and stick to that stuff. But at least have the decency to respect that other people may not like what you like and may like something else better.
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