10-22-2004, 11:22 AM
rarnom Wrote:You still haven't answered my question. How do you reconcile an attitude of violence as a means to solve 'threats' when you claim to hate war? No matter what you hear from the left or the right, if there was a 'threat' of WMD's, then they acted. Yes, it does suck that it turned out to be wrong. But it is the same as if you thought someone threatened you, had your mature 'fist fight' and then found out you were wrong. As I see it you ARE wrong and you ARE a hypocrite. If you hate Bush's war, then you also have to hate violence in all its forms, you can't have any credibility by living a double standard. If you really feel that peace is the answer and war is evil, then your personal behavior would reflect that, but it doesn't.
then you obviously didn't read my last statement. They are completely different things, which is how I can justify fucking someone up for being a smarmy bitch and be apprehensive about starting global war. The reasoning is easy:
A) It's him vs me. No collatoral damage. I don't sick my posse on his posse and have them kill the other guys in my name. I beat his ass and that is it
B) There are no involvements of weak and or innocent people.
C) We don't kill each other
D) It's a personal conflict between two people vs two armies having at each othere unabased.
Unlike you, I can differentiate between a fist fight and a war (well, not technically a 'war' in the legal sense, but one nonetheless). No, I am NOT a hypocrite for wanting to get into a fist fight and not wanting to send our troops to Iraq, because I recognize them as being two fundamental things and you can spare me the freudian crap that what I do in my personal life is how I think about real world situations.
It's preposterous to think that I can't differentiate one type of force from another. In a 1 on 1 fight, there is a difference between getting into a fist fight, breaking a pool cue over their head and pulling a gun on them. And that's only in a single scenario! Plus, when it comes to one person being a stubborn asshole and not getting out of your face, there is not much you can do to get them to fuck off with out force. When it comes to an entire nation (especially one NOT impeding on you in any way shape or form), there are many ulterior things you can do beyond getting mixed up in war.
Point being: Getting into a fight is NOT tantamount to starting war nor are the mindsets one has to do so and thus I have no need to reconcile getting into a fight with one jackass versus getting into a war with another country, because they are two different things.