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best hentai - vicnuts - 09-19-2003
My comments were never directed towards Zagatto. This is my opinion on a genre of animation that I find is a complete waste of time. You don't like the word cartoon? That's what a billion other people on this world will call 'em. Saying "Anime" is a way of legitimizing this particular form of animation you're an obvious fan of. I'm a fan too. Hentai, again in my opinion, takes away from any legitimization as an art form Anime has gained over the years. What it does succeed in doing is enforce the stereotype of "Magic the gathering" card playing nerds who never leave home and masturbate to "cartoons". While it may not be true, that's the catch with stereotypes.
You seem to think I'm some bible thumper who shrieks when he sees a pair of naked tits. Well, that ain't the case. I have absolutely nothing against porno. Hell, I love 'em. Can you tell me the point of watching an adult film with all the adult stuff censored? In Japan it makes sense cause that's the law. But what's the point if you're not in Japan? When I do walk into a Japanese bookstore (out of the several here in New York) I don't yelp, "EEEK! CARTOON BREAST!!". I just walk in, and then right back out, 'cause everything's too damn expensive.
best hentai - Ka-Talliya - 09-19-2003
Not all Hentai is sensored and for some of us, Hentai is what no Porno could ever be...a decent film.
best hentai - Ngckld - 09-19-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Ka-Talliya
Not all Hentai is sensored and for some of us, Hentai is what no Porno could ever be...a decent film.
yep you are right about that
best hentai - Ronin - 09-19-2003
Well, after reading all of your fine comments and opinions I must say that I agree with Mr. Nuts. Hentai is a form of animation that relies on a heavy content of fantasy that most people enjoy in reality. In other words, instead of watching a sexual act, try actually talking to a live person and establishing a normal relationship with that person. Take the same energy you put into watching and loving these celluloid characters and invest it in someone special. Please don?t get me wrong, I enjoy ?Japanimation? as much as the next person, but I know when to separate myself from the fantasy. I don?t think anyone needs 20 volumes of a demon with a mile-long penis gagging little school girls. As for the ?Red Knight known as War? (LOL), before you tell others to grow up and shut their mouths, think about the idea of naming yourself after a ?cartoon? character and people taking you seriously. My friends and I stopped doing that in elementary school. Peace and Love to all!!!!
Quote:Seize the day!!!!
best hentai - vicnuts - 09-19-2003
A'IGHT RONIN!!!
Morogath (or whatever his name is) talks about an open mind, but tells me to shut up when i voice my opinion on the subject. He probably came on to tell everyone why he loves drawings of naked little girls being raped by monsters, and got upset when i knocked it.
In the end it doesn't really make a difference what I think. If you enjoy it is all that matters. I dislike it, but you guys don't and thats what counts.
best hentai - morgorath - 09-19-2003
Ok yes I did say "open your mind not your mouth" Here's why... Hentai makes the money that produces the Anime we all are fans of... Japan makes Hentai because of the porn laws in Japan. It has funded many anime companies. Oh and about having a Cartoon name and people taking me seriously... The Japanese Fire Fighters I work with everyday call Keiatro (which is the name of a few anime charcters but is not a common japanese name)
Look my point was never to offend people such as the the comments that are now being said. Look I really don't care for the alien pentration anime but I know that of the anime that is bought by Japanese on video hentia outsells all others.
Oh and I wasn't going to even comment but after reading
Quote:It's bad enough watching anime, which I do, because I admit it's kinda nerdy. But, Jesus Christ! Jacking off to little girls being raped by aliens? That's sad.
That is when I was asking myself who said anything about jacking off to hentai, wasn't Zagatto he was talking about porn. The very thing you said he should get to whack off too.
Hey Ronin you have been around for a while you know I don't flame people. I can say I was wrong for telling him to shut his mouth, but I won't admit that he is right. His view is wrong and calling what we like nerdy and then turning on it and saying that he is fan... falls flat.
best hentai - harosa - 09-19-2003
Ronin doesnt know what he's talking about, I watch hentai for the fly honeys running around naked with tails and cat ears. From what I read, Ronin sounds like a closet anime masturbator. Me, I like to do it dressed as a Final Fantasy character and pretend to make a fireball with my peepee.
best hentai - kakomu - 09-19-2003
Quote:Originally posted by Ronin
Well, after reading all of your fine comments and opinions I must say that I agree with Mr. Nuts. Hentai is a form of animation that relies on a heavy content of fantasy that most people enjoy in reality. In other words, instead of watching a sexual act, try actually talking to a live person and establishing a normal relationship with that person. Take the same energy you put into watching and loving these celluloid characters and invest it in someone special.
I don't know about you, but masturbating doesn't suck all my lifeforcing causing me to be devoid of all social energy... In fact, it relaxes me, and I become a lot more comfortable around people, especially those I do not know.
Second, we had this discussion a while ago, Cartoon and anime are synonymous, considering there is plenty of anime directed towards both adults and children in Japan, just like there are cartoons here directed towards both adults and children here in the states.
Lastly, Both Vicnuts and Ronin seem to make the assumption that those who masturbate to hentai don't masturbate to real people, as if it's some sort of turn off. I'm sure most people can disavow that, and say that it's all depending on what mood you're in, lastly, who are you to say that what they do is wrong? They're masturbating, let them be. Saying their choice of porn is wrong is almost as bad as participating in a circle-jerk *shudders at the thought*. Are you also the type of person that hates porn stories? Phone sex? You should be totally open minded about what people are in to, and not pass judgement, or at least tell us what you jerk off to so we can pass the same judgement right back at you.
best hentai - Zagatto - 09-19-2003
Wow... this is another thread that has taken off in great leaps and bounds. I see lots of opinions flying around that could be construed as flames or flame bait.
Before I go any further, I'm going to clarify a few words that I use and the context that I use them in.
1) Porn: any media that uses sexual content in a way that could be construed as arousing. This could be the classic movie Behind the Green Door, this could be an issue of Giant Jugs, this could be internet photos, this could be animated, or it could be written words. Porn is a very broad term.
2) Cartoon: This is a broad term I use for any animated work. Popular subcategories include Disney movies, anime, and shorts that are usually shown at animation festivals. Heck, a good argument could be made for a little flip book as a cartoon but I'm not going into that any further.
3) Hentai: This is a more focused category but still has several distinct subcategories and trends. I'll use the term hentai to describe any cartoon from Japan (or done in a Japanese style) that is intended to show sexual situations. There are a number of these that have been imported that show demon tentacle sex. Because this is so far from what people in North America is used to, they stand out in peoples memory even though there are other styles. There are some stories that focus on bondage, homosexual love, and even good old school girl crushes on their teachers. As a whole, the tentacle sex phenomenon makes up a minority of the hentai that I've seen.
Now that I've cleared up definitions, I'm going to write another post with my opinions.
best hentai - Zagatto - 09-19-2003
Ok now... where were we?
Oh yeah... whacking off.
The biggest thing I find erotic in any form of porn is the story and the situation of the sex. To be honest, seeing close ups of a womans privates does nothing for me. I've seen lots of naked women in real life and photographs of the parts just don't do anything for me.
Which brings me to the reason I don't care for most live action porn that I've seen. The vast majority of it seems to be devoid of any plot whatsoever and ends up a game of how many different positions can we get into before the money shot? There are a few notable exceptions to this but they are rare.
With a lot of the hentai out there, a good amount of attention is paid to the story. The fact that I'm more likely to find a story that arrouses me in an animated video as apposed to a live action video has me buying more hentai than hollywood. I don't care if the naughty bits are pixellated out or not. What I care about is the actions leading up to the sex act and how well executed it is.
There are a lot of reasons to indulge in porn other than to familiarize yourself with anatomy. As soon as the live action industry shows itself to be producing videos with more content, I will be more likely to check them out.
If you want to see some hentai without any tentacles and some hot and steamy scenes to go along with your story then look at some of the following DVDs:
Adventure Kid (I love the scene with the piano teacher)
Cool Devices (this collects a bunch of different stories into one neat volume... best of all... no tentacles)
Sprite Between Worlds (very little sex but a hot story)
there's that island one that I can't remember the title of but that also has some very strong scenes without any tentacles.
If you don't like something you've seen, please don't use that to base your opinion on a wider field.
best hentai - vicnuts - 09-19-2003
Quote:That is when I was asking myself who said anything about jacking off to hentai, wasn't Zagatto he was talking about porn. The very thing you said he should get to whack off too.
The main poblem here is that most of the points you try to make go nowhere or make no sense, much like the one above. Again, because you seem to not get it, i was never responding to Zagatto. I never even bothered to read his post. It was enough seeing the title "Adventure Kid" in there (flashbacks of horrid animation). My reply was to the original posting of "Best Hentai"; My opinion being
that there is no best or even good hentai.
1. The animation, by and large, is garbage.
2. The stories aren't worth bringing up, anymore than they are in "live" porno.
3. And to top it off, they are censored. There is nothing erotic about a screen of moaning cubes.
These are the reasons for my opinions. You say you don't agree because i'm wrong. I'm not wrong -you simply don't agree. You say these make alot of money. I believe that. It still doesn't make them any good. You say alot of anime companies are helped out by there good sales. I sincerely doubt that. The only people they help are the Yakuza who privately fund them. No different from the Triads that probably fund the makers of all the HK Anime DVDs we all own.
You also stated that I flip-flopped in my opinion by saying watching anime is a bit nerdy, but later calling myself a fan. The fact that i'm 30 years old and still watching GRANDIZER is "nerdy". The fact that i'll never stop watching is what makes me a fan. No flip-flop. I see it for what it is.
Everyone has expressed there point. Some people enjoy it. Some don't. I'm not anti-porn, I just find Hentai a complete waste of time & effort (and yes, so is phone sex).
best hentai - Ka-Talliya - 09-19-2003
Quote:Originally posted by vicnutsI don't know what you have been watching, but Mezzo-Forte and Cool Devices were excellecnt Animation.
1. The animation, by and large, is garbage.
Quote:Originally posted by vicnutsHave you ever watched Mezzo-Forte? Granted, this may be the only exception, but it's a pretty good story.
2. The stories aren't worth bringing up, anymore than they are in "live" porno.
Quote:Originally posted by vicnutsCool Devices, Mezzo-Forte, Angels in the Court...I have watched all of these, none of them were censored out. Not in the least.
3. And to top it off, they are censored. There is nothing erotic about a screen of moaning cubes.
Quote:Originally posted by vicnutsCan't we all just agree to disagree?
These are the reasons for my opinions. You say you don't agree because i'm wrong. I'm not wrong -you simply don't agree. You say these make alot of money. I believe that. It still doesn't make them any good.
Besides, I think whether someone jacks off to these is irrelevent and way off subject. The kid asked what we thought the best Hentai was. We answered. If you want to agrue over whether Hentai sucks or not, take it to General Babble and have it out there.
best hentai - kamykami - 09-19-2003
Quote:Originally posted by vicnuts
Jacking off to little girls being raped by aliens? That's sad.
Be fair, vicnuts! Not all hentai has little girls being raped by aliens. Sometimes it's the other way around. :p
Quote:Originally posted by kakomu
I don't know about you, but masturbating doesn't suck all my lifeforcing causing me to be devoid of all social energy... In fact, it relaxes me, and I become a lot more comfortable around people, especially those I do not know.
Masturbating does all that for you, Kak? Man, that stuff is better than Paxil!
Quote:...or at least tell us what you jerk off to so we can pass the same judgement right back at you.
Or not.
best hentai - harosa - 09-20-2003
Mezzo Forte has some kick ass action, as did KITE before it, but unlike KITE, the story in Mezzo Forte, beyond the basic kidnap/revenge scheme, made no sense at all, and the action/rape scene in the first half had nothing to do with the story and the sex scene in the second didnt advance the story either, if this your example of the best in hentai than we do have a problem.
best hentai - DARK OSAMU - 09-20-2003
Well I have to say something now. I DO NOT LIKE HENTAI!!!! BUT.....
I have seen Mezzo Forte and must say it was quite awsome!!! If it didn't have the sex scenes in it..it would still be enjoyable to watch. The sex in it did actually move the story, Disturbingly so, but it was so well made that if the sex in it were to be edited out, it would still be a well written and developed show. So I have to say for a hentai, Mezzo Forte can also be called a great anime!